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Tim Crump

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Do we need an article of faith entitled worship?

   I believe the last article of faith we added was "The Church"


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Jonathon Maloney

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Maybe an article defining what worship is, would take care of some of our dear worship wars.  Or maybe add fuel to the fire, who knows. 

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Russell Brewer

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Thank you Tim for asking the question! Yes we do! Many of our people do not know how to worship, or understand what worship really is. Just singing a song or two and a prayer and a listening to a sermon and placeing a dollar or two in the offering is not worship.
We need a new and fresh vision of who God is, and how to worship HIM!

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Jonathon Maloney

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I also think that we need a theological defintion of worship.  As I look out into my crowd on Sunday morning, I don't quite know if everyone gets what worship is. 

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Tim Crump

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This should be right up Larry Lacher's alley - - - where are you Larry? 

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Larry Lacher

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I could say, "Wait for my dissertation." smile.gif  Obviously I am concerned about this same issue.  The goal of my dissertation is to try to change the conversation about worship from, "Does it have a beat and can I dance to it" to, "What is worship suppose to be accomplishing anyway?" 

I think that our emerging post-Christian culture will actually place a greater burden on what we do in worship because the worship service will be our primary arena for making Christians (in the fullest sense of that word).  Worship has to be about who God is.  We must worship to please Him, not ourselves.  Worship must never be designed according to the tastes of the people we are trying to attract.  They are sinners and cannot know what worship ought to be about. 

In worship we are seeking to bring people into the full reality of who God is in a way that enables them to live Christianly in a secular society.  Worship is about creating a world out of which we live as Christians.  It must be a powerful enough experience to orient me into the world of God as the focus of my life in opposition to the surrounding society.  I've probably said enough to confuse the issue already, so let's see where the discussion goes.

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Russell Brewer

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Thanks Larry!  So where does the whole seeker service format fit in?

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Larry Lacher

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The seeker service, by definition, is not a worship service.  At Willow Creek, they are very deliberate in saying that their worship happens on Thursday night and that the seeker service is not worship. 

The original seeker service, was the campmeeting and/or tentmeeting revival.  They had the same mission: to introduce people to Jesus and to send them back to worshipping congregations for faith formation.  Here's our fundamental problem.  We allowed a service form that was not intended to be fully-formed worship to become the way we did church.  Now we have no idea how to do worship, because we have never done worship.

I think our pattern of worship is a lot like fast food.  It's quick and easy and tasty and cheap.  The problem: it is also unhealthy.  The bigger problem: we have gotten so used to a fast food diet that we have no palate for real food and we have no idea how to cook.

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Russell Brewer

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Larry,
Where does a prayer service fit into worship?

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Anonymous

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It depends what you mean by "prayer service" and by "worship."  Historically, worship has been called in latin orandi (prayer).  But, we usually think of a prayer service as akin to something we do on Wednesday nights.  All of these services are worship services, but the are not "fully formed worship."  So, you have to begin by asking, "What are we trying to accomplish in worship?" and build from there.

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Russell Brewer

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I assume that anonymous, is Larry!

Thanks for your reply. I am ddeply concerned about the lack of worship and the lack of prayer with our people. 

Over the past 5-years I have found a new awareness of and need of worship and prayer. It is so eay to go to a church service and and not worship!

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Larry

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Worship takes effort. We have taught our people to come to church expecting to be entertained. We have taught them that worship is for and about them. As a result our worship practices are anthropocentric exercises in self-love. Across the country and across denominational lines, people are reacting to what worship has become. I'm working on finding a meaningful solution.

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